Re: Pinhole Digi-cam

I think digital is a fabulous tool as one can use
it to push his work and vision farther but on the
other hand, anyone can reproduce any photographic
or paint or whatever effect in a click... How
cheap is this concept of instant art... There are
no more matter, no more grain in the canvas, no
more artist's conception and even no more
imperfections, it's all formatted! Imitation I
think is a drift of digital system... Imagine,
you have a dull picture of your car (example) you
want to enhance. In a menu; you click on "Pinhole
effect" and think: no good for my picture, then
you select "Neorealism effect" and smile, ...your
beautiful car looks like a compression by César.
Then the genius dawns in you and you decide to
combine a mere "Surrealist" with a harsh "Cubist"
effect and just can't describe the ensuing gore...

It's only a matter of choosing the right tool for
the right task. I think digital can produce it's
own artwork or assist another process (as a step
but for example) but a brush stroke will always
be a caress made by a brush with paint on it...

It was the minute of absurdity by Hugues Mertens ;-)

>There is a school of digital printing right now that imitates the
>brushmarked edges of alt prints - when I was in Australia last year I was
>stunned to see that the alt students were being encouraged to make prints to
>scan for the edges and add them to their digital repertoire - yuk!!!
>
>Kate----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Gerber" <dgerber@adobe.com>
>To: <pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Digi-cam
>
>
>> Now you're talking about artistic integrity, I would never be satisfied
>with
>> making "look alikes" of any type of work. The printing I do now is the
>type
>> Trevor described: digital negatives prited on Pictorio OHP, and contact
>> printed in VanDyke or Cyanotype.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On 12/10/04 6:46 AM, "Eric" <eric@landguard-manor1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe making digital pinhole cameras would make and take the
>creativity
>> > out I've heard of guys/girls doing salt prints, bromoils etc within
>there
>> > computers, which we all know are only look alike, DON'T GO THIS WAY
>SKILLS
>> > WILL BE LOST.
>> > Eric M
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org
>> > [mailto:owner-pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org] On Behalf Of Dan Gerber
>> > Sent: 09 December 2004 21:24
>> > To: pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org
>> > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Digi-cam
>> >
>> > No, I can't. Good point. I still use my round film plane pinhole camera,
>as
>> > well as a few others. The boxes of dusty film cameras comment should
>have
>> > had the word *lens* in front of it!
>> >
>> > I can't wait until someone comes up with a flexible, thin digital camera
>> > sensor, so I can make bent film(sensor) plane pinhole cameras. For that
>> > matter, I can't wait until you can just buy a sensor, and out it in a
>> > homemade camera.
>> >
>> > -Dan
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/9/04 2:29 PM, "Pinhole Blender" <chris@pinholeblender.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> But can you bend that sensor around a tube like you can with film or
>> >> paper. Maybe it can satisfy those who use flat film planes but I like
>> >> to bend things a bit or overlap exposures or make really wide angle
>> >> cameras. If I had a SLR digital I would surely use it for pinhole but I
>> >> wouldn't let dust accumulate on my film cameras, they have too much
>> >> flexibility to offer.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >> --
>> >> Pinhole Blender
>> >> chris@pinholeblender.com
>> >> http://www.pinholeblender.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> -------- Original Message --------
>> >>> Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Digi-cam
>> >>> From: "Dan Gerber" <dgerber@adobe.com>
>> >>> Date: Thu, December 09, 2004 2:45 pm
>> >>> To: pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org
>> >>>
>> >>> I've also been using a pinhole body cap on my Canon EOS 10D. I can
>> >>> wholeheartedly second the dust problem! On the other hand, it is a
>good
>> > way
>> >>> to see how dirty your sensor is! I don't feel any guilt as a result,
>> >>> everything is just a tool to express our ideas, nothing more. Digital
>> > means
>> >>> of capture and manipulation are just as relevant as analog processes,
>and
>> >>> allow a lot of people to produce interesting work who otherwise might
>not
>> >>> have if they were locked into traditional processes.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll admit, my boxes of film cameras is getting a pretty thick coating
>of
>> >>> dust on it, but I simply haven't found a reason to go back to using
>film
>> > for
>> >>> the past 2 years.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Dan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/9/04 1:14 PM, "Howard Wells" <sandwell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I've mounted pinholes on Nikon digital SLRs to good effect. The only
>> > major
>> >>>> problem is that the great depth of field of the tiny aperture causes
>any
>> >>>> grit or dust on the low-pass filter to become a prominent and
>unwanted
>> >>>> feature in the image. Dust and grit that does not show up in normal
>> > lensed
>> >>>> usage. Converting a digi-cam to pinhole might avoid the problem.
>Other
>> > than
>> >>>> that they are great for pinhole, offering the instant feedback I love
>so
>> >>>> much with Polaroid without reciprocity effects.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, it does inject an element of guilt into the process, at
>least
>> > for
>> >>>> me, that my film box polaroids and other pinhole cameras don't
>produce.
>> > I'm
>> >>>> not a Luddite and the image is still being formed through a pinhole
>but.
>> > . .
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Peace and Happy Holidays,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Howard Wells
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> [Original Message]
>> >>>>> From: Doug Holt <mancer@verizon.net>
>> >>>>> To: <pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org>
>> >>>>> Date: 12/9/2004 1:31:15 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] anti-newton ring glass
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Always more than one way to skin a cat... not that I ever wanted a
>> >>>> skinned
>> >>>>> cat around.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm thinking the best thing to do is go to an all digital pinhole.
>I
>> >>>> wonder
>> >>>>> if anyone on this list has converted a digi-camera yet?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --- Howard Wells
>> >>>> --- sandwell@earthlink.net
>> >>>> --- hwells@artacademy.edu
>> >>>> --- home.earthlink.net/~sandwell
>> >>>> --- http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hiw3/my_photos
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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