RE: sheet film v. ortho film

George,

Have you ever tried an anti fog solution in your developer like Edwals Antifog. Its basiclly a chemical named
Benzotriazole. Its helped me salvage old film in the past. It sounds like you have too much film to even try
it. If your interested I have some in my lab, let me know if you need any.

Chris

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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film v. ortho film
> From: "George L Smyth" <glsmyth@myway.com>
> Date: Fri, May 28, 2004 1:50 pm
> To: pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org
> 
> andy -
> 
> Storage is the key.  I actually received much more than I mentioned,
> but some of it was bad.  Exceptionally strange and not understood by me
> - for the most part, the "regular" film was good and the ortho film was
> fogged.  My friend kept everything in a freezer for years, and
> unbeknownst to him, at some point in time the freezer gave up the
> ghost.  Some stuff was obviously no good (Kodak Mechanical Film - never
> heard of it - Expires June 1969 <g>), but my testing showed that the
> TMax and Ilford sheet film is just fine, but the ortho (with the
> exception of what I mentioned) was somewhat to unacceptably fogged.  I
> have no clue as to why this would be the case - he told me that he
> stored everything together.  I would have thought the exact opposite
> would have been the case.
> 
> I now have the B&W film in the freezer (he gave me about 500' of Velvia
> and about 50 rolls of assorted chome film) and am trying to figure out
> how to store the rest.  I have not tossed the idea of buying an
> apartment-sized refrigerator (I would buy a small freezer of that size,
> if I knew where to get one).
> 
> BTW, if anyone wants a box or two of the partially fogged stuff (should
> be good for non-critical and experimental mussings), send me a note
> (GLSmyth@Yahoo.com).  I have two 4X5" boxes of Kodak Ortho and four
> boxes of 4X5" Duplicating film.  I've also got a 100' roll of 35mm
> Kodak ortho which I have not tested for giveaway.  I will pay the
> shipping if the recipient promises to send me a small print made from
> the film (or a note saying that it was no good).
> 
> Cheers -
> 
> george
> 
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>  --- On Fri 05/28, Andy - Warwick < aschmitt@warwick.net > wrote:
> From: Andy - Warwick [mailto: aschmitt@warwick.net]
> To: pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:00:09 -0400
> Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film v. ortho film
> 
> it's tough to be rich... 8o)<br>now all you have to do is store
> it<br>good for you !<br>andy<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
> owner-pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org<br>[mailto:owner-pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org]On
> Behalf Of George L<br>Smyth<br>Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:42
> PM<br>To: pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org<br>Subject: RE:
> [pinhole-discussion] sheet film v. ortho film<br><br><br><br>Gord
> -<br><br>You are right - cost is indeed a factor.  I've got a roll of
> 9.5"X100' ortho<br>film and just the other day received another roll of
> something rather<br>similar from a friend who is going digital (he also
> gave me several hundred<br>sheets of 4X5, about 600 rolls of film, and
> a stack of paper about four feet<br>high - I am set for life
> <g>).<br><br>The nice thing with working with inexpensive materials is
> that it allows one<br>to do a bit more experimenting than would be the
> case with cost<br>considerations.<br><br>Cheers
> -<br><br>george<br><br>-----<br>http://w!
> ww.GLSmyth.com<br>http://DRiPInvesting.org<br><br> --- On Wed 05/26,
> Gordon J. Holtslander < holtsg@duke.usask.ca > wrote:<br>From: Gordon
> J. Holtslander [mailto: holtsg@duke.usask.ca]<br>To:
> pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org<br>Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:46:14
> -0600<br>Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film v. ortho
> film<br><br>Hi:<br><br>Excuse the very late reply.<br><br>I use ortho
> film because its<br>available in very large sizes.  I use 8x10<br>and
> occasionaly 12<br>x18.(inches)  This lets me do nice big contact prints
> -<br>which works very<br>well with the alternative printing processes I
> use.<br><br>Comes in rolls<br>to.  If I ever get a few days in a row
> free I want to build<br>something<br>like an 10 by 14 inch roll film
> camera.<br><br>Conventional film this size<br>is prohibitively
> expensive. Ortho is at least<br>1/4 the<br>cost.<br><br>Gord<br><br>On
> Wed, 5 May 2004, George L Smyth<br>wrote:<br><br>><br>> Brad
> -<br>><br>> "Regular" sheet film has the advantage<b!
> r>of rendering the scene properly, whereas ortho film will not
> properly<br>reproduce the reds and oranges.  OTOH, ortho film can be
> handles with the<br>darkroom lights on and is less expensive than
> panchromatic film.<br>><br>><br>Personally, I use panchromatic film
> when shooting in the 4X5 size, but when<br>I increase to a larger size
> I go with orthochromatic film, prima!<br>rily because of the cost. 
> With ortho film in the larger sizes you will not<br>need any special
> equipment, as you can just use the pans you use to process<br>your
> paper.<br>><br>> BTW, if you do go the ortho route, toss
> the<br>development instructions you get from the box.  Ortho film is
> meant to be<br>developed to black/clear with no gray gradations.  I've
> used dilute Dektol<br>(1+10 - 1+20) and Rodinal with success, and there
> are numerous formulas out<br>there that will work just fine.<br>><br>>
> Cheers -<br>><br>><br>george<br>><br>> -----<br>>
> http://www.GLSmyth.com<br>><br>http://DRiPInvesting.org<br>>!
> <br>>  --- On Sun 05/02, brad isaacs <<br>p_bateman27@yahoo.ca >
> wrote:<br>> From: brad isaacs [mailto:<br>p_bateman27@yahoo.ca]<br>>
> To: pinhole-discussion@spitbite.org<br>> Date:<br>Sun, 2 May 2004
> 11:47:11 -0400 (EDT)<br>> Subject: [pinhole-discussion]<br>sheet film
> v. ortho film<br>><br>> hi,<br><br>regarding my last post<br>regarding
> sheet film developing<br>tanks, my real dilemma is whether i<br>should
> go into<!<br>br>working with sheet film or ortho film. they both
> seem<br>to have their<br>pros and cons but i don't have
> the<br>experience to really know. ortho film<br>would be very<br>easy
> to cut, load and process but is more difficult<br>to<br>get. sheet film
> is easy to get but a little more<br>complicated to<br>use, plus i'd
> need to get a tank. would<br>one produce better images than<br>the
> other? i guess that<br>would be my
>
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