RE: Carbon mailing list?

I don't have a problem with keeping the realms separate either. My point
about using web based forum software is you can have both a Listserve-like
function for those who want that, and a fully functional web based platform
for those that prefer that. I use both. I get messages to my email and I can
answer from there or got to the web site and handle it there. I think having
separate categories in the forum is extremely useful. Those who want to
discuss off topics can by posting to the "Coffehouse" or whatever you want
to call it and not flame the ire of everyone else. On my forum carbon is
just one topic area. There is a tendency to have too many categories and
that will work against you. I ran into that and had to pare down mine to a
few categories.

To set up a separate web site and have to go there and post and then post
email to the List is a bit of a drag.

We've seen a sudden increase in carbon tissue orders and I am guessing it is
due to the new Christopher James book. I think we are all going to benefit
from it.

Just as an aside, Howard Efner and Molly Berger have been working at the
studio on 4 color carbon. Things have been progressing nicely except for a
high amount of contrast that was hard to control. They have been making
laydown tissue to work out the formulations. Howard decided it was something
in the system. He's been making the tissue at home and bringing it in. Just
for the hell of it he got some fresh gelatin from the B+S drum. Voila! The
fresh gelatin was nice and tame, the two year old stuff he had at home is
very contrasty. It wasn't contrasty two years ago, but it is now. Gelatin
gains contrast with age. My instinct would be to have guessed it would get
foggy with age and lower in contrast.

--Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-carbon@spitbite.org [mailto:owner-carbon@spitbite.org] On Behalf
Of Sandy King
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:24 PM
To: carbon@spitbite.org
Subject: RE: [carbon] Carbon mailing list?

I don't have any personal fascination with list serves, though I do
like the simplicity in some respects. That depends of course on who
is contributing.

My opinion is that there should be no conflict between the carbon
forum on B&S and an independent forum. But I do think it important to
recognize that the commercial interests of B&S and the interests of
the greater carbon community to keep this process alive are not one
and the same.

Sandy

At 7:37 PM -0600 4/4/08, Richard Sullivan wrote:
>Just to set the record straight. I started my forum primarily because I
>needed to have a modern up to date support mechanism for customers. The
>behind the scene controls available on a forum like Invision PowerBoard are
>pretty amazing. Listserve is good for some things but not very good for
>support. As we grow we will be having online classes similar to the gum
>classes we did a few years ago on the old board we had. Listserve cannot
>really function in real time with messaging etc. My board was never
intended
>to kill the carbon list, though at the time I set up the board, there was
>very little activity on the list, and yes, I figured there would be some
>impact.
>
>I am not sure why the fascination with Listserve. Set up Powerboard or
>Vbulletin and those who want the msgs via email can set that up in their
>profile and it will look just like a Listserve system. Having a separate
>website is clumsy at best, and you will spend as much setting up a gallery
>that people can post to as you will spend on a forum board.
>
>--Dick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-carbon@spitbite.org [mailto:owner-carbon@spitbite.org] On
Behalf
>Of Sandy King
>Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:05 PM
>To: carbon@spitbite.org
>Subject: Re: [carbon] Carbon mailing list?
>
>Hi Eric,
>
>So what do you think about David's offer to set up a web site from his
>place.
>
>I like the idea of keeping the list server technology, but we might
>benefit from a web site as well.
>
>Perhaps we could talk by phone about this. I really appreciate the
>fact that you have kept this site alive and hope to have your
>cooperation on any further moves.
>
>Best,
>
>Sandy
>
>
>
>
>At 10:41 PM -0800 4/3/08, Eric S. Theise wrote:
>>Sandy King writes:
>>> The beauty of the carbon list is that it is free from commercial use.
>>> Is there any way we might transfer the list and archives to another
>>> venue?
>>>
>>> I would really like to see a carbon list or web site functioning
>>> outside of any commercial interests.
>>
>>Well, this list/this venue, could be/could have been, quite a lot
>>of things. It was surprising to me that Mr. Sullivan could pied-piper
>>the carbon printing community away from the list with his forum so
>>easily, and, frankly, it was surreal when he addressed me abstractly
>>as the "present owner of this system" last May.
>>
>>Hello, you know me, I am easily ascertained, my name is "Eric".
>>
>>And color me naive and idealistic, but the owners of this system
>>are the active posters (jury's out on the lurkers). Me, I am a
>>technical facilitator, making sure that the messages get through
>>and that the spam does not; that archives are available and searchable
>>24/7; and that when people ask for a feature, I assess its feasibility
>>and implement accordingly.
>>
>>I asked for ideas and submissions; Halvor Bjorngard and Katayoun
>>Dowlatshahi contributed pdfs for a "carbon library", that was it.
>>
>>Look:
>>
>>There's no reason to close the list if it is useful to the community,
>>but: "use or lose it". If people see [carbon] and groan in
>>anticipation, I want no part of it, and we are close to this.
>>
>>Sloganeering from Howard Rheingold, the Whole Earth Review, and The
>>WELL, a decade or more ago:
>>
>> "what it is is up to us."
>>
>>So it goes with [carbon].
>>
>>--Eric
>>
>>P.S.
>>
>>> We are about to open an web site for S&S
>>> holders and I would like to save the archives on that site.
>>
>>I am ignorant; "S&S holders", I don't know what this means.
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